happyhomemaker
Jul 22 2009, 06:59 PM
I watch the show, Tori & Dean seem so nice & likeable but then think actions speak louder than any words. . . Dean had a small child & was in the process of adopting another child w/his wife when he met Tori while doing a movie w/her. They both dumped their respective spouses because they were so attracted to each other! His ex has been public about how she even appealed to Tori to please consider that she & dean had children.. ..(his ex ended up adopting their second child on her own)
Its a real disconnect for how Tori seems so nice yet could reconcile w/her conscience helping (w/Dean)to break up a family and just make a new one together. Its no surprise that she was so worried & said "don't forget me" when he left for 5 weeks to do a movie with another actress!!! Also her worry about becoming a single mom if Dean had a motorcycle wreck yet thats exactly what they did to his first wife.
On one hand I like the show & both of them (of course they produce it so they show what they like) however on the other hand, I'd almost *like* to see both of them get theirs. . ..although not really as I feel sorry for all 4 children.
Heck we've all felt significant attraction at one time or the other but at the end of the day good people try to do whats **right** especially if there are children involved. The world is not going to end for us if we don't follow through w/every selfish impulse we have. ..
NannySigi
Jul 22 2009, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (happyhomemaker @ Jul 22 2009, 12:59 PM)

I watch the show, Tori & Dean seem so nice & likeable but then think actions speak louder than any words. . . Dean had a small child & was in the process of adopting another child w/his wife when he met Tori while doing a movie w/her. They both dumped their respective spouses because they were so attracted to each other! His ex has been public about how she even appealed to Tori to please consider that she & dean had children.. ..(his ex ended up adopting their second child on her own)
Its a real disconnect for how Tori seems so nice yet could reconcile w/her conscience helping (w/Dean)to break up a family and just make a new one together. Its no surprise that she was so worried & said "don't forget me" when he left for 5 weeks to do a movie with another actress!!! Also her worry about becoming a single mom if Dean had a motorcycle wreck yet thats exactly what they did to his first wife.
On one hand I like the show & both of them (of course they produce it so they show what they like) however on the other hand, I'd almost *like* to see both of them get theirs. . ..although not really as I feel sorry for all 4 children.
Heck we've all felt significant attraction at one time or the other but at the end of the day good people try to do whats **right** especially if there are children involved. The world is not going to end for us if we don't follow through w/every selfish impulse we have. ..
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Think out of the box. I'm a vintage human and stayed too long at the fair. But the fair was a carnival of horror with an alcoholic in a loveless marriage. Tori and Dean both went for the brass ring on the merry-go-round and it took courage. Neither desires to hurt anyone, nor themselves. Respecting youself and focusing on what you desire to create in your life is essential. If others were hurt in their choices to be together, then they chose to let the pain be swift and let the healing begin. I wish the best for this family and for every person with the courage to be honest, go for the gusto, and fight to live the exceptional life.
daniellep
Jul 23 2009, 12:28 AM
QUOTE (NannySigi @ Jul 22 2009, 03:42 PM)

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Think out of the box. I'm a vintage human and stayed too long at the fair. But the fair was a carnival of horror with an alcoholic in a loveless marriage. Tori and Dean both went for the brass ring on the merry-go-round and it took courage. Neither desires to hurt anyone, nor themselves. Respecting youself and focusing on what you desire to create in your life is essential. If others were hurt in their choices to be together, then they chose to let the pain be swift and let the healing begin. I wish the best for this family and for every person with the courage to be honest, go for the gusto, and fight to live the exceptional life.
Sorry Nanny for what you personally went thru but don't recall allegations of alcoholism or lovelessness in Deans first marriage.Prolly the same as many marriages that have gone on for years n years, someone new comes along and its exciting, so the other person becomes disposable. Apparently Dean n wife were trying to adopt a baby. So obviously they were planning on staying together until Tori came along. I have to agree with original poster not to malign Tori but don't she how she could justify it. Think what goes around comes around eventually.
ps Maybe I'm just behind the time but I think there is just too much "thinking outside the box" as you call it where people want to do what FEELS GOOD for THEM and to H*** with who else gets hurts in the process. Its not about courage at all but
just pleasing yourself.
daniellep
Jul 23 2009, 12:47 AM
No Dean n his first wife were not separated or separating. He was away for a movie (Tori starred in it with him) and when he returned to his (first) family he even went on vacation with them as they planned. While on vacatin he told his wife about Tori n said he was leaving. If you google you will see the story. I watch the show myself so I was curious I looked it up.
PS Not trying to malign Tori n Dean I like the show too but lets face it. It wan't a very auspicious beginning to their marriage.
HERE IS ARTICLE FROM PEOPLE below:
Article from people:2007 12:00 PM EDT
Mary Jo Eustace
The names Canadian TV personality Mary Jo Eustace and her actor husband, Dean McDermott were not well-known in the U.S., but their split made headlines, because the woman McDermott left his wife for was: Tori Spelling.
Now, Eustace has written about the moment her husband told her he was leaving in The Other Woman, a new anthology featuring stories from 21 women about love and betrayal.
The mother of two spoke to PEOPLE's Beth Perry about her decision to go public. "The experience is so overwhelming, and I am a writer," says Eustace, 45, who also penned a comedy script based on her experience. "I needed some sort of outlet."
She says that, despite rumors she was planning to write a tell-all book, that was never the plan: "I've done some talks about divorce and the grieving process and relating to other women, and that's what I was interested in, not dishing on anything I happened to have found out throughout this experience."
Eustace, who lives in Canada with kids Jack, 8, and Lola, 2, says of her essay in The Other Woman, "I thought it really captured what happened and it was very difficult to write, not fun to write." The following excerpt also appears in the new issue of PEOPLE.
When The Other Woman Is Tori Spelling
When Dean called me from the set [of his TV movie], he told me how great he was getting along with his costar Tori Spelling. She was fun, caring and much hotter in real life. I assumed this was good. Before he left, jokes flew at the prospect of working with the daughter of a Hollywood mogul. I suggested he befriend her. "Who knows?" I laughed. It might be good for his career.
Now here he is, back. We're on vacation and I'm wearing my bikini with saggy faded bottoms. I know something is wrong. "Have you met someone?" I ask. He nods yes. "Is it Tori Spelling?" He nods. "We're soulmates," he says. "She loves me unconditionally."
"What conditions?" I scream. "You've only known each other three weeks."
I look down at my baby daughter. "We just adopted a baby." The phrase single mother pops up in my brain. I start to feel weightless as I cross the divide between together and alone.
"I'm not leaving the kids," he says. "I'm leaving you." I begin to sob. I actually begin to worry that maybe it's all because I look fat. Maybe he was undecided, and this dreadful bikini sealed the deal.
(The Other Woman: Twenty-one Wives, Lovers, and Others Talk Openly About Sex, Deception, Love, and Betrayal, featuring essays by Jane Smiley, Susan Cheever and others, is out June 13. Copyright © 2007 by Victoria Zackheim. Reprinted by permission of Warner Books.)
BiPagan
Jul 23 2009, 01:38 AM
I applaud them for ending their marriages when they realized they weren't 100% dedicated to the relationships. Goodness knows, they could have played out behind the back cheating for years.
michele46
Jul 23 2009, 02:48 PM
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Think out of the box. I'm a vintage human and stayed too long at the fair. But the fair was a carnival of horror with an alcoholic in a loveless marriage. Tori and Dean both went for the brass ring on the merry-go-round and it took courage. Neither desires to hurt anyone, nor themselves. Respecting youself and focusing on what you desire to create in your life is essential. If others were hurt in their choices to be together, then they chose to let the pain be swift and let the healing begin. I wish the best for this family and for every person with the courage to be honest, go for the gusto, and fight to live the exceptional life no longer here
hotshotcomputerwhiz
Jul 24 2009, 12:19 AM
We're all fans here I'm sure. But that don't make us blind to what Tori and Dean did to other people for their own pleasure. Deans other son is now in a broken home because of it. Tori has made no secret that she slept with Dean the first day they met. At the time both of them married-Dean married with kids (+adopting one). Poor Jack now visits dad on occasion (dad even moved away to another country to be with Tori) while new half sibs get to share every day with him.
None of the above means we don't still like Tori and Dean but that don't make us blind to their bad points.People aren't perfect. Lets acknowledge that what Tori and Dean did to their exes and his son was very crappy and of course its not admirable or brave on any level. Thats plain ridiculous.
but we can still like them anyway and hopefully they have more respect for their own wedding vows. I wish them well. Maybe we can move on now.
jadinsmum
Jul 24 2009, 10:19 PM
reading the above have to say it surprised me to find out that tori was a homewrecker. So nice & considerate of other people on the show. However its probably not all her fault. If you think about her upbringing she was a child of a rich man so its likely she usually got what she wanted. She wanted Dean and so the fact that he had a family already didn't matter to her and so she had sex with him the first night they met.
It doesn't surprise me about him though because my take is that he could be alittle bit opportunist & Tori could provide for him better than his first wife. Plus Tori was something new after 12 years of marriage.
I do wonder if Tori would do the same thing now that she is a mom and also if that is a good part of what the rift was with her parents them not approving. In her shoes I would worry about Dean forgetting me as thats what he did to the first. I think if they ever have financial issues he will move on.I feel sorry for her in some ways.
cokopfs
Jul 25 2009, 02:02 AM
OMG..people fall in and out of love every day and move on. Why would you stay with someone and be miserable? From what I can see, and I'm sure it is edited greatly, it looks like they are very much in love and that they also have as normal a relationship as one can in their world. We really don't know them, so we really don't know what went down. They seem like a nice couple and they love their kids, both sets..let them be
Ms. Haynes*
Jul 25 2009, 03:59 AM
We are never aware of what goes on behind closed doors. We hear second hand and edited information about celebrities that is made into what will sell. The bottom line here is that Tori and Dean are people just like everyone else. They are human and they make mistakes. They will probably regret some of those mistakes for a long time. But it is not up to any of us to judge them, it is up to a higher power.
I don't know what happened in their previous marriages, and it really isn't any of mine or anyone's business. Tori and Dean chose to put their lives in the spot light and to share the special moments between them and their children. They seem to genuinely love one another, and that is rare in today's society. I can't even imagine how hard it is to have everything you do under constant scrutiny. I know that if it were me, I would cherish my privacy and it would hurt me deeply to read some of the things that people type on this message board. My point is that we should lift this couple up and embrace what they bring to us instead of tearing them down. Tori is an amazing, vibrant and sensitive person. She has a sense of style that makes me green with envy. Most of us will never have what she does in a million years, we can only watch the television each week and say "if only".... Dean is exciting, charismatic, yet rough around the edges. He dotes over his wife in a way that makes us all jealous! All I can say is GO DEAN!! These two belong together, and they make sense together. Everything happens for a reason, whether good or bad. They can only move forward as time cannot be rewound. Everyone needs to stop dwelling on their past actions and look forward with them to a wonderful future together with their family.
To Tori and Dean: I hope that every day of your life together continues to be a blessing, and that through the most hectic times you always take time for each other and your children. You are all beautiful and deserve nothing short of the best. I look forward to next week's show! I'll enjoy it.... whether you are just taking time out for your husband and your kids, or multi-tasking on the busiest of days. Keep up the good work! **
cathyg
Jul 25 2009, 06:28 PM
anyway you slice it or try to romantice it Tori & dean did scr*w the first day they met without regard for there spouses and children. Dean was married for 12+ years and adopting another kid on top of his sm son Jack That doesn't sound like a troubled marriage.
Anyone on here saying that people fall in and out of love everyday and try to romanticize it would feel much different if there own husband (or sisters or frends) dumped them and moved away from the kids to be with a woman he had sex with the first time he met her. In that case the "Tori" would be a sl*t and the "Dean"a b*st*rd!
The person really *scr*wed* in the whole deal is little Jack who can watch on tv (as well as kids in school can be so cruel) his dad with his brand new family. He gets to visit sometimes even how wonderful for him. Unfortunately think Liam and Stella will prbably share his fate eventually. Karma is a b*tch and when you're starting with people who got together by cheating eventually there likely to cheat again. Plus second marriages have an even higher divorce rate than first. Sad but true. Good luck to all of them.
NannySigi
Jul 27 2009, 02:40 PM

Some people were born to help alleviate society of their rules and regulations that hinder their personal evolution. What if Dean decided that it would be best to show his firstborn son that there is such a thing as true love and a soul mate? What if being in the presence of real unity in a relationship is good for Jack? Think out of the box and do yourself a favor and quit thinking in the box. Divorce is a reality in our society, so why not do it in a way that helps the children understand that even when the ship goes through a tsunami, there are still waters beyond if you just hold on to what is in your heart? What if Dean's EX enters a space of true love with her soul mate? There are too any variables that could be very positive to put a judgmental and negative spin on this dissolution of one marriage and the beginning of another.
kaleyn24
Jul 28 2009, 12:09 AM
QUOTE (NannySigi @ Jul 27 2009, 03:40 PM)


Some people were born to help alleviate society of their rules and regulations that hinder their personal evolution. What if Dean decided that it would be best to show his firstborn son that there is such a thing as true love and a soul mate? What if being in the presence of real unity in a relationship is good for Jack? Think out of the box and do yourself a favor and quit thinking in the box. Divorce is a reality in our society, so why not do it in a way that helps the children understand that even when the ship goes through a tsunami, there are still waters beyond if you just hold on to what is in your heart? What if Dean's EX enters a space of true love with her soul mate? There are too any variables that could be very positive to put a judgmental and negative spin on this dissolution of one marriage and the beginning of another.


YES NANYSIG WE ALL SHOULD THINK LIKE YOU DO THAT CHEATING AND DIVORCE AND LEAVING THE KIDS BEHIND TO GO LIVE WITH OUR NEW SQUEEZE IS A GOOD GOOD THING FOR THE CHILDREN INVOLVED. IT TEACHES THEM WONDERFUL THINGS

ROFLOL
kaleyn24
Jul 28 2009, 12:12 AM
NannySigi
Jul 28 2009, 04:35 PM
QUOTE (kaleyn24 @ Jul 27 2009, 06:09 PM)


YES NANYSIG WE ALL SHOULD THINK LIKE YOU DO THAT CHEATING AND DIVORCE AND LEAVING THE KIDS BEHIND TO GO LIVE WITH OUR NEW SQUEEZE IS A GOOD GOOD THING FOR THE CHILDREN INVOLVED. IT TEACHES THEM WONDERFUL THINGS

ROFLOL

I'm an elder and have a different perspective due to a lengthy observation of life and individuals. I do know that those who judge others will find themselves in similar circumstances being judged harshly, sooner or later. I'm not only a professional educator but a parenting educator. I have had clients of so many mixed kinds of families with children, same gender, mixed genders, elderly young, adopted parents, religious zealots, addicts, you name it, I've seen it. The system of a lifetime commitment to one individual isn't working for over half of the population, so we have to instill a new way of addressing the needs of the children. When parents and families, of any kind, are willing to work together to help the children feel loved and nurtured, IT WORKS! I spoke as you did at one time until I lived more life and realized that being judgmental and thinking everyone needed to live by my standards was due to a maturation deficit (and lack of an expanded awareness of the many needs of others).
"And that's all I have to say about that." Forrest Gump
Dee8112
Jul 28 2009, 07:44 PM
I find all this very interesting. I knew Dean met Tori on the set of a movie but I never knew they slept together the first night. Crazy. I also didn't know that Dean and his first wife was in the process of adopting a child. I assumed they had already adopted the child. Then they go on vacation together and he tells her he has fallen for another woman. MMMMMM, that's nice. I feel that if Dean and his first wife had made the decision to adopt a child together that shows that there weren't to many issues to say they were having major unhappy problems. No one goes into something like adoption just to end a in divorce a few days later. That would be cruel.
I am a Tori and Dean fan but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Dean saw Tori and (yes he may not have been super happy in his marriage but it was working some what) he saw a good financial future. I do believe that he loves Tori but I also believe that his decision was based on more then just love. Which I feel is cruel to his son Jack. That means that Dean was thinking selfishly and you cant do that when you have chlidren. Its like rule 1 in the child raring book.
The second point I would like to make is Lola. The adoptive baby. If they decided to adopt this child together why hasn't Dean even mentioned her? He has gotten tattoos of all his children on his body yet Lola is know where to be seen. How do you decided to bring a child into your world one minute and then ignore the child the next? I just don't understand that. I have reread some of the posts and one has said that his first wife decided to adopt the child on her own. That's great but in the beginning it was a decision both of them had made. How can he just turn it off now? I just cant wrap my mind around that. Lola is forgotten by Dean and I think that is the most saddest thing of all.
Dee8112
Jul 28 2009, 07:47 PM
One thing I would like to say also is I am so proud of the people who have posted to this very sensitive topic. Everyone has been very adult. No name calling. There has been disagreements but for the most part every one has been very grown up. HIGH FIVE FOR US ALL.
QUOTE (happyhomemaker @ Jul 22 2009, 11:59 AM)

I watch the show, Tori & Dean seem so nice & likeable but then think actions speak louder than any words. . . Dean had a small child & was in the process of adopting another child w/his wife when he met Tori while doing a movie w/her. They both dumped their respective spouses because they were so attracted to each other! His ex has been public about how she even appealed to Tori to please consider that she & dean had children.. ..(his ex ended up adopting their second child on her own)
Its a real disconnect for how Tori seems so nice yet could reconcile w/her conscience helping (w/Dean)to break up a family and just make a new one together. Its no surprise that she was so worried & said "don't forget me" when he left for 5 weeks to do a movie with another actress!!! Also her worry about becoming a single mom if Dean had a motorcycle wreck yet thats exactly what they did to his first wife.
On one hand I like the show & both of them (of course they produce it so they show what they like) however on the other hand, I'd almost *like* to see both of them get theirs. . ..although not really as I feel sorry for all 4 children.
Heck we've all felt significant attraction at one time or the other but at the end of the day good people try to do whats **right** especially if there are children involved. The world is not going to end for us if we don't follow through w/every selfish impulse we have. ..
michele46
Jul 28 2009, 09:25 PM
no longer here
Melba
Jul 29 2009, 01:22 PM
"I am a Tori and Dean fan but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Dean saw Tori and (yes he may not have been super happy in his marriage but it was working some what) he saw a good financial future. I do believe that he loves Tori but I also believe that his decision was based on more then just love. Which I feel is cruel to his son Jack. That means that Dean was thinking selfishly and you cant do that when you have chlidren. Its like rule 1 in the child raring book."
Wasn't Aaron still alive when this all happened in one night??? At the time, Dean did not know that Tori would only inherit $800 thousand.
Also, my understanding is Mary Jo was the breadwinner in that marriage too. She is a much bigger celebrity in Canada then Dean was. She had a regular show and he, like now, had acting parts when he could get them.
And yes, I am a Tori and Dean fan too and only wish them the best. But not everything is as honky dory as a "reality" (yeah right) show wants you to believe
torideanfan2
Jul 29 2009, 03:44 PM
think Tori and Dean deserve each other.Neither will ever fully trust the other. Yes Tori should worry if Dean gets an occasional acting job and is away from her. No wonder she told him "don't forget me" when he went on set. She knows he forgot his first wife quick enough. Tori didn't care what SHE did to that other mom (Deans wife of 12 yrs who was home with their 1 own child and their almost adopted baby) when she laid down with Dean the first night she met him! Now Tori is in MOM mode and Dean has already complained about the lack of sex.Yes its only a matter of time!
Have heard that is the main reason Aaron and Candy are mad at Tori. They didn't appreciate what Tori did (to break up Deans marriage) and they did not like Dean (understandably so given the circumstances). They both believed Dean is a gold digger.
PrOgReSsIvE
Jul 29 2009, 05:58 PM
Dean broke up hi sown marriage. Tori can't force him to leave his wife, he left because he wanted to be with Tori. What sucks for her is that they are both making money now together with the show and Tori's books came out after she married him so he would be entitled to the money she's been making these passed few years. If she really was only worth $800,000 (which I would take in a heartbeat) and they were really hurting for money like they always claimed in the first show when they had the inn then they would have to share the money if they got divorced.
I see people say he's a golddigger but i don't think she had a lot of gold to dig when they got together. Maybe he didn't know that at the time and maybe they really do love each other.
AngieM
Jul 29 2009, 06:17 PM
QUOTE (PrOgReSsIvE @ Jul 29 2009, 12:58 PM)

Dean broke up hi sown marriage. Tori can't force him to leave his wife, he left because he wanted to be with Tori. What sucks for her is that they are both making money now together with the show and Tori's books came out after she married him so he would be entitled to the money she's been making these passed few years. If she really was only worth $800,000 (which I would take in a heartbeat) and they were really hurting for money like they always claimed in the first show when they had the inn then they would have to share the money if they got divorced.
I see people say he's a golddigger but i don't think she had a lot of gold to dig when they got together. Maybe he didn't know that at the time and maybe they really do love each other.
I agree.

After watching the episode where she tells Dean that she wants to invite her mom to Stella's b-day party, you could tell he was concerned. He said his instincts said "No" that it wasn't a good idea. He was very passionate about the way Bill and Scouts family played with Stella (she is so cute), and sais something like "That is the way grandparents act". Tori was crying, and he said "see, your upset, confused, crying", then he said something very telling to me, he said "it is my job to protect you and our family". I hate to say this but I know men who don't give a d.a.m.n about how their wives feel.
MichelleMc
Jul 29 2009, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (Melba @ Jul 29 2009, 08:22 AM)

"I am a Tori and Dean fan but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Dean saw Tori and (yes he may not have been super happy in his marriage but it was working some what) he saw a good financial future. I do believe that he loves Tori but I also believe that his decision was based on more then just love. Which I feel is cruel to his son Jack. That means that Dean was thinking selfishly and you cant do that when you have chlidren. Its like rule 1 in the child raring book."
Wasn't Aaron still alive when this all happened in one night??? At the time, Dean did not know that Tori would only inherit $800 thousand.
Also, my understanding is Mary Jo was the breadwinner in that marriage too. She is a much bigger celebrity in Canada then Dean was. She had a regular show and he, like now, had acting parts when he could get them.
And yes, I am a Tori and Dean fan too and only wish them the best. But not everything is as honky dory as a "reality" (yeah right) show wants you to believe
lilacs
Jul 29 2009, 07:50 PM
This is long but its factual
Don't agree that Dean's marriage was troubled. Words are easy to say but actions speak louder. He & his wife were married 12 plus years at the time and adopting a baby on top of already having one of their own. They even had a vacation planned for right after his movie shoot. Certainly *not* the usual signs of a troubled relationship! Dean finished the movie in a few weeks and then went on vacation with his wife and kids and broke the news about Tori to his wife.
The facts: Tori and Dean married in May of 2006 once both their divorces were final. No family attended. Aaron Spelling died the next month in June 2006. He and dgtr Tori had been estranged since the time Tori took up with Dean. Daddy Aaron even changed his will once he knew Tori was married to Dean. He gave her .16% (less than 1 percent of his estate) and even told her this when they briefly met before his death. He *knew* Dean is an opportunist. (Not saying Dean doesn't care for Tori at all but it seems obvious that Dean will lean toward the way his bread is best buttered even to the point of sacrificing his first son and moving away from him to another country. Dean did not know at the time of his marriage to Tori that her father had changed his will but they did know he was dying.
Its public information that Aaron Spelling did NOTapprove of what Tori and Dean did. (slept with each the first day they met and broke up Deans first family and left Tori's husband) Tori chose to stay away from her dad because he didn't approve of Dean and how they got together and what Tori was doing. ..
I must say I agree with the original poster of this topic. I'm disappointed with Tori's actions.
Lastly, let us not forget that we see on Tv what Tori and Dean want us to see, they produce the show. Remember Jon & kate plus 8?! 'enuff said.
michele46
Jul 29 2009, 09:20 PM
n longer here
ykwbstr2
Jul 30 2009, 12:59 AM
I can't address the issue of how Aaron Spelling felt about Tori's marriage with Dean as I haven't read about that anywhere, not saying it's not there, I just haven't run accross it.
Tori and Randy were both left with the same amount and both knew well ahead of time how much they would get. Tori talked about it publicly because she was asked about it constantly after Aaron Spelling died. I have never head anywhere where Tori complained about how little was left to her out of such a large estate. Part of why Tori stayed away so long from her dad while he was sick was that Tori's mom was living with a man under Aaron's Spellings roof while Aaron Spelling was ill and dying and the man was calling all the shots on everything. Part of it may have been Aaron disapproved of Dean, I don't know one way or the other about that. But Tori addressed in one of this season's shows about staying away from her dad the last several months of his life that she now realized that she was wrong in doing that & wished she hadn't. Most people do stupid and wrong things in their life and most realize as they get older where they messed up. When I was just barely 21, my favorite aunt who lived in another state than myself, was dying of cancer. She made several request for me to come see her. I didn't as I couldn't bear the thought of seeing her like that as she had always been just so fully of life. As I got older, I always regretted that decision on my part and realized it wasn't about me and my feelings, it was about my dying aunt and her feelings and I should've just sucked it up and gone & told her how much I loved and would miss her.
Dean & MaryJo: yes their marriage was on the rocks. Dean wanted more children after Jack, MaryJo didn't - also there evidently was some issue with MaryJo being able to conceive more. But she was focused on her career as it was doing very well for some years. Then when their marriage got weak and her career started to fade is when she decided to finally adopt. MaryJo's article - she first put it out as a whole book with the title something like 'what's it like to loose your husband to Tori Spelling' & no one would touch the book, then she changed the title to a less attacking one and still no one would pick it up. So then this other woman wrote this book and asked MaryJo to contribute. The full unchanged article before it was edited for this woman's book of MaryJo recounting when she found out about Tori, MaryJo stated herself that Dean told her he had lost all respect for her and hadn't respected her for some time.
I don't condone what Tori and Dean did or how they went about it, but Tori married for the wrong reasons and Dean's marriage was shaky, which MaryJo initally admitted herself then later changed her story to say that their marriage had been good and strong until Tori came into the picture. If a marriage is good and stable and both people are happy, a third party can't break it up.
Renate Uhl
Jul 30 2009, 01:19 AM
QUOTE (Melba @ Jul 29 2009, 07:22 AM)

"I am a Tori and Dean fan but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Dean saw Tori and (yes he may not have been super happy in his marriage but it was working some what) he saw a good financial future. I do believe that he loves Tori but I also believe that his decision was based on more then just love. Which I feel is cruel to his son Jack. That means that Dean was thinking selfishly and you cant do that when you have chlidren. Its like rule 1 in the child raring book."
Wasn't Aaron still alive when this all happened in one night??? At the time, Dean did not know that Tori would only inherit $800 thousand.
Also, my understanding is Mary Jo was the breadwinner in that marriage too. She is a much bigger celebrity in Canada then Dean was. She had a regular show and he, like now, had acting parts when he could get them.
And yes, I am a Tori and Dean fan too and only wish them the best. But not everything is as honky dory as a "reality" (yeah right) show wants you to believe
I know this is kind of a dumb question after all this time and going on but just who is Dean's ex?? Just wondering.
Renate
TnC
Jul 30 2009, 03:33 AM
Happy Home Maker i think that if it bothers you that much you need to find another show to watch. Because you can say you like Tori and Dean but your remarks say otherwise.
Liking someone and wanting them to get theirs are not compatible
janeen2
Aug 1 2009, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (TnC @ Jul 30 2009, 04:33 AM)

Happy Home Maker i think that if it bothers you that much you need to find another show to watch. Because you can say you like Tori and Dean but your remarks say otherwise.
Liking someone and wanting them to get theirs are not compatible
You're missing the point TNC as I commented in another post, just because someone likes Tori and Deans TV SHOW does NOT mean they have to like EVERY choice that Tori & Dean make or have made previously!
Cheating on spouses and breaking up a family with children are ROTTEN things to do. I doubt that Deans first marriage was any more "troubled" than ANY decade plus marriage which (of course) will have its ups & downs! Apparent Dean and his wife were adopting a baby and it was moving forward (include a family vacation) UNTIL he met someone new & exciting (Tori)who was willing to have sex with him then and there!
I think it shows rotten morals and is so beneath Tori too. How will SHE react if Dean does TO HER (and Liam & Stella) what he did WITH HER to his first wife (and son jack & baby Lola)?
So because I think what Tori and Dean did to their spouses and his first children are rotten does that mean I am not longer entitled to watch the show? Sounds like that is what you were saying. Tori and Dean get paid to open their life to the public. It isn't ALL going to be great. Sometimes they're going to hear, see, read some UNPLEASANT TRUTHS.
Dee8112
Aug 3 2009, 03:13 PM
I completed agree 110% Janeen2.
QUOTE (janeen2 @ Aug 1 2009, 01:36 PM)

You're missing the point TNC as I commented in another post, just because someone likes Tori and Deans TV SHOW does NOT mean they have to like EVERY choice that Tori & Dean make or have made previously!
Cheating on spouses and breaking up a family with children are ROTTEN things to do. I doubt that Deans first marriage was any more "troubled" than ANY decade plus marriage which (of course) will have its ups & downs! Apparent Dean and his wife were adopting a baby and it was moving forward (include a family vacation) UNTIL he met someone new & exciting (Tori)who was willing to have sex with him then and there!
I think it shows rotten morals and is so beneath Tori too. How will SHE react if Dean does TO HER (and Liam & Stella) what he did WITH HER to his first wife (and son jack & baby Lola)?
So because I think what Tori and Dean did to their spouses and his first children are rotten does that mean I am not longer entitled to watch the show? Sounds like that is what you were saying. Tori and Dean get paid to open their life to the public. It isn't ALL going to be great. Sometimes they're going to hear, see, read some UNPLEASANT TRUTHS.
lexiloo
Aug 4 2009, 07:01 AM
I have to agree with this post although I really like Tori and Dean on the show I have to wonder if this is who they really are or what they want the public to perceive them to be. I was shocked when I found out that they met on a movie set and each of them were married I know it happens all the time (Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt) but I just have to wonder what kind of people that obviouslly loved their spouses at one time enough to marry them could hurt them so badly and break up families.. Sure I have met men since I have been married that I had a strong attraction to but I never acted on that attraction because when I got married in front of God and my family and friends I took my wedding vows very serious. Its called self control and respect for everyone involved. Now it makes sense to me why Tori is so needy and jealous on her show. They may have thought that they found their "soul mates" but in the end you have 2 people that lied, cheated, and broke up family's for their own selfish desires I think if I was with someone that was capable of that I would be checkin up on them constantly. I mean whos to say when the next "soul mate" comes along that YOU won't be as easily disposed of. If Dean and his wife were in the process of adopting a child I would imagine that they thought things were pretty good in their marriage to be bringing another child into it at least Tori and her husband didn't have children involved but it is really sad because I don't think I would want to live the rest of my life wondering what my husband was doing, who he was on the phone with, was he really working late that would have to be very stressful but I guess we all make our own decisions in life and if you can live like that more power to ya. I would also imagine Dean thought he was going to be set for life marrying Tori Spelling bet he never thought his new mother in law was going to keep everything for herself.
Poem Girl
Aug 4 2009, 07:44 AM
QUOTE (janeen2 @ Aug 1 2009, 01:36 PM)

You're missing the point TNC as I commented in another post, just because someone likes Tori and Deans TV SHOW does NOT mean they have to like EVERY choice that Tori & Dean make or have made previously!
Cheating on spouses and breaking up a family with children are ROTTEN things to do. I doubt that Deans first marriage was any more "troubled" than ANY decade plus marriage which (of course) will have its ups & downs! Apparent Dean and his wife were adopting a baby and it was moving forward (include a family vacation) UNTIL he met someone new & exciting (Tori)who was willing to have sex with him then and there!
I think it shows rotten morals and is so beneath Tori too. How will SHE react if Dean does TO HER (and Liam & Stella) what he did WITH HER to his first wife (and son jack & baby Lola)?
So because I think what Tori and Dean did to their spouses and his first children are rotten does that mean I am not longer entitled to watch the show? Sounds like that is what you were saying. Tori and Dean get paid to open their life to the public. It isn't ALL going to be great. Sometimes they're going to hear, see, read some UNPLEASANT TRUTHS.
Agree with you. I watch the show because it's interesting, the babies are adorable etc........ But the way T&D got together has always bugged me. I do feel sorry for Dean's ex and the way he told her about Tori. It also seems like T&D did everything so fast, marriage, 2 babies, 4 seasons of the reality show, they are in the Hollywood crazy fastlane. To each his own and all that crap but ppl are allowed to post their opinions and those opinions are formulated from watching the show, good or bad.
bob Thomas
Aug 4 2009, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (NannySigi @ Jul 22 2009, 03:42 PM)

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Think out of the box. I'm a vintage human and stayed too long at the fair. But the fair was a carnival of horror with an alcoholic in a loveless marriage. Tori and Dean both went for the brass ring on the merry-go-round and it took courage. Neither desires to hurt anyone, nor themselves. Respecting youself and focusing on what you desire to create in your life is essential. If others were hurt in their choices to be together, then they chose to let the pain be swift and let the healing begin. I wish the best for this family and for every person with the courage to be honest, go for the gusto, and fight to live the exceptional life.
I usually hate these kinds of shows, but I like this show. It took a while for it to grow on me but it did Way to go TORI AND DEAN
T&Dlover
Aug 4 2009, 09:33 PM
HOPEFULLY MARY JO WILL FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH HER TIME THAN WRITE ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS (OR HER FRIENDS WHO WRITE ON THEM)
LET'S ALL THINK ABOUT IT...
WHO CARES ABOUT MARY JO EUSTICE STILL...
HOW MANY YEARS AGO DID DEAN LEAVE HER?
WHY ARE THESE STORIES STILL SHOWING UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS THAT SHE RELEASED TO THE MEDIA?
HASN'T EVERYONE FORGOTTEN THAT TORI & DEAN WERE BOTH MARRIED BEFORE.
ARE THEY REALLY THE ONLY CELEBRITIES WHO HAVE EVER GOTTEN A DIVORCE FOR THEIR TRUE LOVE?
SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS THE 2ND MARRIAGE FOR BOTH OF THEM.
HOW MANY TIMES HAS ANGELINA JOLIE BEEN MARRIED?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
QUOTE (daniellep @ Jul 22 2009, 05:47 PM)

No Dean n his first wife were not separated or separating. He was away for a movie (Tori starred in it with him) and when he returned to his (first) family he even went on vacation with them as they planned. While on vacatin he told his wife about Tori n said he was leaving. If you google you will see the story. I watch the show myself so I was curious I looked it up.
PS Not trying to malign Tori n Dean I like the show too but lets face it. It wan't a very auspicious beginning to their marriage.
HERE IS ARTICLE FROM PEOPLE below:
Article from people:2007 12:00 PM EDT
Mary Jo Eustace
The names Canadian TV personality Mary Jo Eustace and her actor husband, Dean McDermott were not well-known in the U.S., but their split made headlines, because the woman McDermott left his wife for was: Tori Spelling.
Now, Eustace has written about the moment her husband told her he was leaving in The Other Woman, a new anthology featuring stories from 21 women about love and betrayal.
The mother of two spoke to PEOPLE's Beth Perry about her decision to go public. "The experience is so overwhelming, and I am a writer," says Eustace, 45, who also penned a comedy script based on her experience. "I needed some sort of outlet."
She says that, despite rumors she was planning to write a tell-all book, that was never the plan: "I've done some talks about divorce and the grieving process and relating to other women, and that's what I was interested in, not dishing on anything I happened to have found out throughout this experience."
Eustace, who lives in Canada with kids Jack, 8, and Lola, 2, says of her essay in The Other Woman, "I thought it really captured what happened and it was very difficult to write, not fun to write." The following excerpt also appears in the new issue of PEOPLE.
When The Other Woman Is Tori Spelling
When Dean called me from the set [of his TV movie], he told me how great he was getting along with his costar Tori Spelling. She was fun, caring and much hotter in real life. I assumed this was good. Before he left, jokes flew at the prospect of working with the daughter of a Hollywood mogul. I suggested he befriend her. "Who knows?" I laughed. It might be good for his career.
Now here he is, back. We're on vacation and I'm wearing my bikini with saggy faded bottoms. I know something is wrong. "Have you met someone?" I ask. He nods yes. "Is it Tori Spelling?" He nods. "We're soulmates," he says. "She loves me unconditionally."
"What conditions?" I scream. "You've only known each other three weeks."
I look down at my baby daughter. "We just adopted a baby." The phrase single mother pops up in my brain. I start to feel weightless as I cross the divide between together and alone.
"I'm not leaving the kids," he says. "I'm leaving you." I begin to sob. I actually begin to worry that maybe it's all because I look fat. Maybe he was undecided, and this dreadful bikini sealed the deal.
(The Other Woman: Twenty-one Wives, Lovers, and Others Talk Openly About Sex, Deception, Love, and Betrayal, featuring essays by Jane Smiley, Susan Cheever and others, is out June 13. Copyright © 2007 by Victoria Zackheim. Reprinted by permission of Warner Books.)
lexiloo
Aug 4 2009, 10:47 PM
QUOTE (T&Dlover @ Aug 4 2009, 10:33 PM)

HOPEFULLY MARY JO WILL FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH HER TIME THAN WRITE ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS (OR HER FRIENDS WHO WRITE ON THEM)
LET'S ALL THINK ABOUT IT...
WHO CARES ABOUT MARY JO EUSTICE STILL...
HOW MANY YEARS AGO DID DEAN LEAVE HER?
WHY ARE THESE STORIES STILL SHOWING UP ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS THAT SHE RELEASED TO THE MEDIA?
HASN'T EVERYONE FORGOTTEN THAT TORI & DEAN WERE BOTH MARRIED BEFORE.
ARE THEY REALLY THE ONLY CELEBRITIES WHO HAVE EVER GOTTEN A DIVORCE FOR THEIR TRUE LOVE?
SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS THE 2ND MARRIAGE FOR BOTH OF THEM.
HOW MANY TIMES HAS ANGELINA JOLIE BEEN MARRIED?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
and just because Angelina Jolie did it that makes it right??? lmao This isn't about Mary Jo Eustice this is about 2 self
serving people that didn't care who they hurt in the process to get what they want and remember the old saying
a tiger doesn't change their stripes??? Well we have all read about the Jolie/Pitt union in recent months but I guess everything is OK as long as we make our selves HAPPY and to HELL with everyone else?? Wow, What kind of
world do we live in?? Sure marriages end and people get hurt but if you are that unhappy in your marriage get out
of it FIRST and then go try to find your "soul mate"(which to me soul mate is just a term to justify a fresh new piece of a**) anyhow that is my 2 cents on the matter lol
estrellanights
Aug 6 2009, 11:14 PM
I agree w/Lexilu, think they are both unfortunately quite selfsh and self serving people. I do feel sorry a bit for Tori though because Dean willl cheat on her if she stops bringing home the bacon! Even so I think he'll cheat on her. Tori was very low what she did to Deans first family. She would be *outraged* if it happened to her what she did to another woman who had small children. . . . .so many on here making excuses for their behaviour, tells the real story of who they are as well!
cindylitte
Aug 18 2009, 09:30 PM
YIKES! I had no idea that Tori and Dean broke up his family and she left her husband and he left his wife and kids to be together. I had thought their romance was like a fairy tale. Had no idea! How UNfairy tale like.
I like the show but oh my goodness shame on them both!
AngelBoots
Aug 22 2009, 12:06 AM
Dean had sex with tori the first night! It was so easy for him to cheat that night with tori he obviously has cheated before. I wonder how many times!! He just continued the affair because it was a good oportunity for him. Of course he loves her, she is cool, rich and famous. If she wasn't I wonder if he would of left his wife for her. IMO I think not.
Although I like them and this show a lot, they probably will go through the karma of their actions. Yes It is their destiny to be together but dean, self proclaimed sex loving man, is already b!tching about the lack of it. "We use to do it all the time" and He stated once, ( when she was talking about being a stay at home mom)Unfortunately you cant do that your bread winner of the family" I loved that face she made, like you a.ss, go work your the man! Priceless.
Yes they are both jealous, and rightfully should be. Dean seems a predator of sex, Tori seems like a woman in love. The difference between them is tori really is in love and dean got some a.ss and a better joint checking account!
I still love them though, not my karma so.... But since that is in the past and they do make cute babies and fun shows... fagetttabouuutit!
It seems as if the left behind ex's have moved on as well.
You SUCK!!!!!
Aug 22 2009, 12:58 AM
Dean is a nasty mofo
AngieM
Aug 22 2009, 02:28 AM
QUOTE (cindylitte @ Aug 18 2009, 04:30 PM)

YIKES! I had no idea that Tori and Dean broke up his family and she left her husband and he left his wife and kids to be together. I had thought their romance was like a fairy tale. Had no idea! How UNfairy tale like.
I like the show but oh my goodness shame on them both!
unfortunately it happens to families all over the world. and has for years.
♪Thisisit!!♪
Aug 22 2009, 08:40 PM
She talked about it on their show...she was afraid to let dean be alone too long on a movie set because that's what happened when they met! Something like that!
Poem Girl
Aug 23 2009, 08:43 AM
It sucks because they both were married and cheated. I know this happens all the time especially in Hollywood but that doesn't make it right. I read somewhere here about how Dean broke the news to his wife, on their vacation. Plus Dean and his ex had plans to adopt a baby girl.
So true, Tori's worries the same thing will happen to her, she's said it on the show. The show is cute aside from how they got together. Their babies are adorable.
michele46
Aug 23 2009, 10:42 PM
[quote name='AngieM' post='178390' date='Aug 22 2009, 03:28 AM']unfortunately it happens to families all over the world. and has for years.0
michele46
Aug 23 2009, 10:46 PM
just read an interview with Tori, said they turned down DWTS because it was too long of a day away from his family (7 hours a day of rehearsals plus the show time and extra publicity stuff) she also said shes jealous of new young motorcycle racing girls hes now hanging with.......
pinkslip
Aug 26 2009, 05:01 AM
If Dean worked a 9-5 job he'd be away longer than 7 hours. Most jobs would require them to be away from each other for at least 8-10 hrs. It seems like Tori's trying to keep an eye on Dean by keeping him close by all the time.
bulbous
Aug 26 2009, 03:06 PM
Tori's a s-ut and Dean's a complete airhead so they're perfect for each other. They are not the brightest bulbs in the box.
onewhoknows
Aug 27 2009, 04:39 PM
I don't think they're stupid, clearly, look at the money Tori is raking in. I do think they are both self centered. I agree it is deplorable what the both did to their spouses and his children. Disgusting! It doesn't surprise me that Dean did it but I admit itreally surprises me that Tori did that to his wife andchildren--she seems so sweet and caring but what do they say about actions speaking louder than words.
goldengirl
Oct 11 2009, 05:31 AM
Nanny - me thinks you smoked a bit too much weed, dropped a little too much acid or drank a little too much of that 60's koolaid...the fact that you "educate" people is frightening. As for Tori and Dean - they aren't really fooling anyone...and the children ALWAYS pay the price for the ride.
ΠұĭŁĩ’μπט§
Oct 13 2009, 03:22 PM
QUOTE (goldengirl @ Oct 11 2009, 06:31 AM)

Nanny - me thinks you smoked a bit too much weed, dropped a little too much acid or drank a little too much of that 60's koolaid...the fact that you "educate" people is frightening. As for Tori and Dean - they aren't really fooling anyone...and the children ALWAYS pay the price for the ride.
she isn't the only one sounding like she drank to much 60's koolaid.
coreylee
Oct 24 2009, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (bulbous @ Aug 26 2009, 08:06 AM)

Tori's a s-ut and Dean's a complete airhead so they're perfect for each other. They are not the brightest bulbs in the box.
Oh Bulbous.....don't be shy , just tell us how you REALLY feel ...
You crack me up !
Have you seen Mary Jo on the talk shows lately ?
Now there is an intelligent lady. She is very bright !
I wonder if she has moved on and found anyone though....
Has anyone heard ?
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