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Socrates
TORI,

Stop being such a selfish boob! I shouild know, one of my children is estranged from me and it hurts, REALLY HURTS! I have tried everything but nothing works!

Your children are the ones who are suffering for YOUR attitude! Whether your Mom is right or you are right or it is 1/2 and 1/2, in the long run, what difference does it make?

Get some CAJUNAS, Tori. BE A MAN! Your Dad would be proud of you and your children will forever be indebted to your wisdom.

Invite your Mom privately out to lunch. Then invite her to dinner with you and her grandchildren. <br> JUST REMEMBER, Tori: Husbands can come and go, but MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS are forever!

SOCRATES
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Children do not need grandparents to be happy healty children. To you Socrates,I bet your estranged child probably has a totally different story to tell then you do!
coreylee
QUOTE (Socrates @ Oct 12 2009, 05:08 PM) *
TORI,

Stop being such a selfish boob! I shouild know, one of my children is estranged from me and it hurts, REALLY HURTS! I have tried everything but nothing works!

Your children are the ones who are suffering for YOUR attitude! Whether your Mom is right or you are right or it is 1/2 and 1/2, in the long run, what difference does it make?

Get some CAJUNAS, Tori. BE A MAN! Your Dad would be proud of you and your children will forever be indebted to your wisdom.

Invite your Mom privately out to lunch. Then invite her to dinner with you and her grandchildren. <br> JUST REMEMBER, Tori: Husbands can come and go, but MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS are forever!

SOCRATES
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I think your post is very fair ...
Both sides think they are right and Tori has a chance here to be an example .
Deans support would help though and so far she has not got it ....
Poem Girl
QUOTE (Socrates @ Oct 12 2009, 05:08 PM) *
TORI,

Stop being such a selfish boob! I shouild know, one of my children is estranged from me and it hurts, REALLY HURTS! I have tried everything but nothing works!

Your children are the ones who are suffering for YOUR attitude! Whether your Mom is right or you are right or it is 1/2 and 1/2, in the long run, what difference does it make?

Get some CAJUNAS, Tori. BE A MAN! Your Dad would be proud of you and your children will forever be indebted to your wisdom.

Invite your Mom privately out to lunch. Then invite her to dinner with you and her grandchildren. <br> JUST REMEMBER, Tori: Husbands can come and go, but MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS are forever!

SOCRATES
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laugh.gif say it like it is!! I agree.
butterflies
You have got to be kidding me. Blaming Tori, saying Dean does not support her, saying husbands come and go, and mothers and grandmothers are always and forever. Did you ever think that Dean is the kids' dad. The dad that I thought the kids loved and needed. He has been there for Tori, and her mom was never there for her even through her childhood. I support Tori in how she is handeling this. YOU GO TORI! I What a load. My grandma call me worthless, however, I am the only one that does not owe her money, never disrespected her in any way, the only one that does not do drugs, the only one that graduated college and has a career, matter of fact I am the only one that has a job. My cousins are either in jail or live with her. Now tell me if I am the one who is worthless. Maybe it's because I have a terminal illness and I am the only girl, but what stops her coming to my kids' birthday party. I call and tell her and my cousins when and where, but they never come. My dad drives 8 hours to come so why can't my grandma which is 10 minutes away. Are you going to tell me to stop being a selfish boob! I hate when people think they know celebrities stories just because of t.v. and the tabloids. You never get the full story ever. Even if they do have cameras following them 24 hours a day. Sorry if this seems rude but it just aggrevates me. I hope Tori's mom comes around. She is losing out on not knowing her grandkids. Come on Candie GROW UP. YOUR NOT 2 ANYMORE.
Poem Girl
QUOTE (butterflies @ Oct 25 2009, 07:36 PM) *
You have got to be kidding me. Blaming Tori, saying Dean does not support her, saying husbands come and go, and mothers and grandmothers are always and forever. Did you ever think that Dean is the kids' dad. The dad that I thought the kids loved and needed. He has been there for Tori, and her mom was never there for her even through her childhood. I support Tori in how she is handeling this. YOU GO TORI! I What a load. My grandma call me worthless, however, I am the only one that does not owe her money, never disrespected her in any way, the only one that does not do drugs, the only one that graduated college and has a career, matter of fact I am the only one that has a job. My cousins are either in jail or live with her. Now tell me if I am the one who is worthless. Maybe it's because I have a terminal illness and I am the only girl, but what stops her coming to my kids' birthday party. I call and tell her and my cousins when and where, but they never come. My dad drives 8 hours to come so why can't my grandma which is 10 minutes away. Are you going to tell me to stop being a selfish boob! I hate when people think they know celebrities stories just because of t.v. and the tabloids. You never get the full story ever. Even if they do have cameras following them 24 hours a day. Sorry if this seems rude but it just aggrevates me. I hope Tori's mom comes around. She is losing out on not knowing her grandkids. Come on Candie GROW UP. YOUR NOT 2 ANYMORE.


So sorry about your illness and Grandma's mean words to you. You seem very strong so just stay strong and keep the faith. It's so wrong how family can be so cruel like that but you know in your heart you're doing the best you can and that's ok.

I think Candy & Tori both need to grow up, put the past behind because noone is guaranteed tomorrow. I guess they can at least try and see what happens, nothing ventured, nothing gained. They each have their own perception of how it was when Tori was a child but they need to stop living in the past.

My Mom and I didn't have the best relationship growing up but I'm taking care of her right now because she is sick and it's the right thing to do. It's not easy but I have to leave it in the past, Tori should try that.
Kpug
I think that quite a few people are underestimating the scope of the problems that Tori and her mother Candy have. This has all started since Tori was a little girl, just a simple "I am sorry" on either Tori or Candy's part is not going to solve the issue. Does Tori have a right to be hurt? Sure she does! How would you like to be in Tori's shoes, when you invite your mother to be a part of your children's lives and then she constantly disappoints you and your children by not showing up. That can be very hurtful and detrimental to both Liam and Stella. If I were in Tori's shoes, I too would be very careful of just letting Candy come back in because I would be afraid that she would leave again. Let's not forget that Candy has some real issues of her own. Tori would probably let Candy back in if her and Candy could work out their issues, but that needs some serious counselling. This is between Tori and her mother and I am sure Tori will do what is right for her family.
my3boyz
Socrates-I respect your opinion. You obviously struggle with your situation. But as a mother myself with my own mother who can not find time for my children and my husband's mother who can't seem to see past her other grandchildren to call ours on their birthday, I can relate to Tori. It's not as easy as just calling up and saying "Hey let's get over this." This was years of emotional abuse. Tori left the door open and Candy was the one that chose not to come in, except when it suits her. That is not fair for the children. It sounds to me that you want to have an active role in your grandchildren's lives. I don't think you and Candy are on the same page, I am not sure that you are ready the same book at this point.
Poem Girl
Every family has their struggles and eventually things come full circle. Tori & her Mom will work it out someday, hopefully sooner than later. They're both being stubborn and might have to have a yelling match until they finally hear each other. IMO life's too short to hold onto the past, just leave it all in the past and slowly build on the present.
KariAna

Tori and Candy made up. The entire issue is resolved.

Candy Spelling made this statement yesterday on

The Bonnie Hunt Show.

Kari Ana


QUOTE (coreylee @ Oct 24 2009, 09:01 AM) *
I think your post is very fair ...
Both sides think they are right and Tori has a chance here to be an example .
Deans support would help though and so far she has not got it ....

Poem Girl
QUOTE (KariAna @ Dec 9 2009, 09:53 AM) *
Tori and Candy made up. The entire issue is resolved.

Candy Spelling made this statement yesterday on

The Bonnie Hunt Show.

Kari Ana


I saw that Kari Ana, I'm so happy for them. Candy was also on a news show saying they are talking and she finally met Stella. She also stated their communication will be kept very private which is the right way to do it. No cameras or reality show crap. The holidays will be very nice for them finally!
KariAna
Clearly, you and a few others have not heard

the news. Tori and her Mother have reconciled

and are working to keep their relationship working.

None of this is supposed to be in front of cameras.

This was announced on the Bonnie Hunt Show.

Kari Ana



QUOTE (Socrates @ Oct 12 2009, 04:08 PM) *
TORI,

Stop being such a selfish boob! I shouild know, one of my children is estranged from me and it hurts, REALLY HURTS! I have tried everything but nothing works!

Your children are the ones who are suffering for YOUR attitude! Whether your Mom is right or you are right or it is 1/2 and 1/2, in the long run, what difference does it make?

Get some CAJUNAS, Tori. BE A MAN! Your Dad would be proud of you and your children will forever be indebted to your wisdom.

Invite your Mom privately out to lunch. Then invite her to dinner with you and her grandchildren. <br> JUST REMEMBER, Tori: Husbands can come and go, but MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS are forever!

SOCRATES
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zetalady
I kind of disagree socrates, but not all the way. I believe the kids don't suffer if they don't know their grandmother its the grandmother's fault if she doesn't want to get know her own grandchildren, because I am going through something similar. My husband's mother doesn't accept my 2 kids, but the reason why she won't accept them is because of their skin color and for that I've decided that she'll never see my kids so that's why she's missing out. So u see its a choice that the grandmother should make to get to know her grandchildren. Actually, its not Tori's responsibility its her mother's responsibility to take that first step to show Tori that I want to be in grandchildren's life and play a strong role in their life. You remember the episode of stella's bday party where she herself took that first step and invited her to the party and what happened? She didn't come at all to the party and Tori was very hurt by that, because she was the one reached to her and her mom basically shoved her away by not showing up and I thought that was wrong of her mother to do that. So, I that Tori is doing right by her kids and that's the truth. biggrin.gif
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